Poor implementations and gotchas everywhere. I loathe floats for layout. This article answers that question. Negative margins is just a hack thats bound to cause difficulties later on. It’s interesting to see other options for when I’m working with someone else’s code and they did it one of the other ways. Here’s the deal: a series of inline-block elements formatted like you normally format HTML will have spaces in between them. On other case, HTML5 with no closing tag? You can change that and allow … – Negative margin (or word-spacing): works ok if you take care of your font and font-size Basically, you can omit the”yui-3-” part of the class names, and grid units are “base 24” as such: .u-4-24, .u-6-24, .u-18-24, etc… or you can still use yahoo’s original names if you like using calculators. When specifying separate sides, you don't need t… This very, very simple work-around gets inline-block working all the way down to IE6 and is only presented to the very browsers that need it. Thx Justin. However, the actual width of the
element will be 350px (300px + Inline is great BUT sometimes you need inline-block and ie6&7 can struggle with this, even when using zoom which might not be appropriate at that moment. padding-left. IE9). Set the bottom padding Floats were never designed to be used for laying out a page. That way the font defines some part of the UI…. I prefer: I can’t say that I know any good standards for removing whitespace in code, so I wouldn’t say this is right or wrong. We can also use ” word-spacing : -4px ; ” on the parent element; works just like putting the negative margin on the li elements does. 2. What most don’t realize is most of your time consumed with cross-browser debugging is *because* of floats. Place the image in a block element with a style=”font-size:2px” (or lower)9 мая 2018 г. And for those who says that my code becomes hard to read, I usually use any dev-tool available (usually in Chrome, but could be firebug in Firefox for example) which automagically converts and clean up the HTML. Answer: Remove space between the elements. for setting the padding for each side of an element (top, right, bottom, and left). I always use the negative margin method, but the floating method, simple as it is too.Thanks your share. WTF?!”. In my opinion, from using inline-block for so long, is avoid designs that are dependent on zero white-space (it’s easier than you think) or just use the comment method or no carriage return. The spaces between inline-blocks are no different. If you want to align the children centered you need to define a width for the parent element which is not possible in every case. The border-spacingproperty may be specified as either one or two values. Plus, the overflow: hidden method for floats seems like a hack because it certainly isn’t logical behavior for CSS. Shouldn’t we be compressing HTML to remove unneeded white space anyway? Correct methood is removal of whitespace in the html markup at whatever methood you feel looks best. When I do have the issue, I just use the comment method. Why deal with all of the CSS shinanagens? box-sizing property. I use float instead of inline-block, and for exactly the same reasons as Daniel and ian do. “Made a mistake? P.S. That’s not to say the spec couldn’t be updated to say that spaces between inline-block elements should be nothing, but I’m fairly certain that is a huge can of worms that is unlikely to ever happen. To every other browser, it’s just a comment. I use inline-block a lot lately, so I use this code structure everywhere, help more than css hacks or whatever. Place the image in a block element with a style=”line-height:10px” or equal to the image height. The CSS display property with the value inline-block is very useful for controlling the dimensions as well as the margin and padding of the inline elements. It’s not always pretty but it is the closest to the behaviour desired – no spaces. wow and lol this post gets a lot of attention. – Breaking the tags: I really hate this.. seems to me broken HTML… I don’t even use word wrap because of that I’m not usually design sites (there are designers, I’m front-end dev), so I only choose whatever works best for their design. It just makes more since to use something that follows a traditional since of document flow, so there is much less interpretation. Those spamming “just use float!” apparently have never tried centering the text. display: block\9; /* hover bug for IE8, 9 */ I can't change the style sheet, but I can apply inline properties to the div. I suggest you to start by dropping entirely Dreamweaver (it’s not useful anymore, just a waste of PC resources). I’ve even shown how to do it with one left and one right. If you have important information to share, please, http://meiert.com/en/blog/20080601/optional-tags-in-html-4/, http://paulirish.com/2011/primitives-html5-video/, http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html, http://nerd.vasilis.nl/remove-whitespace-inline-block/, https://github.com/vladocar/Box-CSS-Framework/blob/master/box.css, zipped zero-width space font (click File > Download to save to your computer). content area is the portion inside the padding, border, and margin of an element The spacing between individual elements of a website and, in particular, the vertical spacing, has been a regular matter of debate between web designers and developers. Negative margin hack is probably taken from my CSS Box Framework https://github.com/vladocar/Box-CSS-Framework/blob/master/box.css at least I think that I was first to “invent” that hack. So, p{margin-left: 2px; margin-top: 80px; margin-right: 45px; margin-bottom: -5px; } The units available to you are the same as always. It results in the same DOM tree (with no text nodes between items). By combing these rules, we should be able to eliminate unwanted spacing in many of the modern browsers and maybe a few older ones as well. HTML5 doesn’t care anyway. I use this trick as well, and I’ve found it to be the best by far. (the box model). you increase the padding, the available content space will decrease. I rarely make anything that relies on no spacing, but when I do I just don’t put spaces between list tags. I just do this: If its a nav, just float the dang things… Sheesh, why make more work when it’s not needed? All of the other techniques either toy with the underlying code or create an association that I (or another developer using my code) would need to be mindful of. Oh, so if I set the font size as 1em then (for example) the size of a single space is 0.25em, so when I change the font size to 2em, then the size of a single space can be approximated as 0.5em. Add CSS ¶ Use the border-collapse property with its "separate" value for the table. I do float the elements, it works, but other solutions mentioned in this article sounds great, too. I always use inline-block, prety useful, i can determine the child align with the text-align property, center, left, right. Well… you kinda can but it’s weird. Basically, I’m selecting all AP divs and moving every single element which is an overkill when there are over 10 stories on a page. I guess it’s assuming that the elements are butting up against each other, but that doesn’t seem right, especially if the new list item starts on the next line. This property applies only when border-collapse is separate. This is wonderful It specifies the distance between the borders of adjacent cells. Now, your nav doesn’t require zero whitespace. Just throw it in an official IE conditional and your done (see my Fiddle)! line-height works differently. @Landis and @Julian: You guys may want to reconsider the negative margin technique. Set the top padding Once you “convert” over, your development time will noticebly decrease. Like can you imagine if you could just set border-box on everything and not have to resort to pixel perfect military precision like calculations for paddings and margins…, Nah that would be too easy, just wouldn’t be able to sleep right…. If you want one element on the left and one on the right then a float is better – unless you know the width between then to add margins. Optional closing tags are not new invention. I couldn’t read all the responses (too many!) Add style=”float:left” to the image. CSS-Tricks is created by Chris and a team of swell people. Inline-block is *the* way to layout a page. They couldn’t be more simple. Plus, by using the HTML syntax above, I don’t have to mess with browser inconsistencies and crazy hacks. It also can’t be a bullet-proof method for all/old browsers. There are properties In the case of navigation, that means it avoids the awkward little unclickable gaps. A space that has zero font-size is… zero width. However, your code is unreadable for a human, considering is built with dreamweaver it’s all cluttered with “non-human” names, I can’t help you at all on that. Here, the
element is given a width of 300px. I don’t want to have to hunt for where the next beginning / ending tag is over and over — not to mention having to deal with code generated dynamically where adjusting the white space may be more of a nightmare than anything else. Yes, considering the amount of variables now in web design, no longer is it just Webkit, Mozilla and IE for desktop, but a slew of mobile browsers as well, we need bullet-proof ways to ensure our designs don’t break. This is a valid way to produce the same effect as table's cellpadding … This example demonstrates how to set the top padding of a

element. padding-right. While negative word-spacing won’t fix all browsers, it also appears to do no damage. I believe pad/phone sites done sized w/ media queries are sucessfully done via inline-block. As far as I know, this property has been renamed to “white-space-collapse”. We can clean up the CSS a bit by using CSS Custom Properties so it is easier to change the margin spacing. Tutorials, references, and examples are constantly reviewed to avoid errors, but we cannot warrant full correctness of all content. use all li’s in one line then the magical margin will not appear , actually the margin comes when you write the html code and do enter after each li the new line makes the magical margin, That 0px font-size trick looks pretty cool…, Leaving off closing tags is like running across the beach naked. As you can see from my previous comment, I recently set about tackling this exact same issue. Here’s the link – http://liep2vsk.edu.lv/Aktualitates.php. Anything else is a futile fight against browser inconsistencies and a slew of variables. Set the right padding CSS has properties for specifying the padding for each but, i learned the font-size zero thing. Although you gotta admit, it feels weird. How do you put space between images in CSS? It’s more about just changing how you solve design problems. Since HTML5 allows closing list item tags to be omitted, then the spacing should still be preserved. Here’s a download to the font I just cooked up in font-forge with the css @font-face declaration included. vertical-align: top; :-), the idea of leaving off the tag has been around since 2008… In other words:

. As we know the table's cellpadding and cellspacing attributes are removed in HTML5.. You want spaces between words that you type to be spaces right? The issue was that I needed space because otherwise text-align: justify won’t work (read it on specs)! Unless I have misunderstood doesn’t the example http://jsfiddle.net/kpadx/ just use padding to achieve the effect which is reliant on knowing the width? I hope they’ll fix it eventually. One of my visitors wanted to know if there was a way to change the distance between the paragraphs on his web page. Sometimes the font size in browsers that do not comply. I noticed that all the solutions under “Remove the spaces” cause html minifiers to break the fix. By the way, when using it, it makes sense to use `rem`-unit font-size for child elements to keep layout em-aware. That allows you to set their width and height and padding and stuff. Where can I find a reference about this? Set the display property to “flex” for both elements. This is often an undesirable result. Padding is used to create space around an element's content, inside of any defined borders. By default, flex items will all try to fit onto one line. Using an em value seems to works across systems, though I forget the exact value right now…, Awesome article..i came across that type of list but didnt knew the reason..now i know :) hope u wont mind if i write this trick up in my blog..Not to mention, i will have a back link to this post ;) awesome stuff. The white-space issue is not as bad as one would think. There’s actually a really easy way to remove whitespace that’s both easy and semantic. The word-spacing property is used to specify the space between the words in a text. So something to consider if you are looking for a production ready solution. Omitting the closing tags should be exactly the same result as including them. The value space-between displays equal spacing between flex items. 100 email notifications in my inbox. Never tried but a polyfill is a common solution to tricky issues. after 15 years of obsessively closing everything in sight, the idea of omitting the closing tag made be feel a bit queasy :) that subsides quickly. I would have never imagined that a line break in the code would count as white space when rendering. You can see people comparing it to 'leading' which is a term used in typography that refers to the space between the baseline of two lines of text. For example, with "extra space" we have the following code in our HTML. Thanks for your explanation. The spacing IS preserved, but as a single space IN the element . My parameters for coding an inline-block collapsing whitespace fix were: – No pixel resetting of fonts. This works as long as you don’t care about support for Windows safari and will be supported in all other versions of browsers currently supported inline-block. Well, that was a good answer to a 2h long wait trying to find where does the white space come from and refusing to use floats. but It was uncomfortable with the solution though! This is how I do it. When two values are specified, the first value defines the horizontal spacing between cells (i.e., the space between cells in adjacent columns), and the second value defines the vertical spacing between cells (i.e., the space between cells in adjacent rows). So for me is the best solution and I really don’t care that much for browsers that doesn’t support inline-block. This isn’t a “bug” (I don’t think). @Taufix I don’t think that is totally correct. It’s a layout with lots of Liquid inside, that removes all the unnessecary whitespaces during the rendering. And it work great…. I believe I was successful in meeting those requirements in this jsFiddle: The following browsers were tested and performed as expected: – IE 6, 7, 8 one property. So you could do: Here’s the deal: a series of inline-block elements formatted like you normally format HTML will have spaces in between them. The font fix is half-decent, the other fixes can only blow up in your face later further the line. This example demonstrates how to set the bottom padding of a

element. AND it also works all the way back to IE6. So what is really “stricter”? Leaving off the closing tag looks like the most elegant solution to me (though I wasn’t even aware it was allowed!). I have looked at the code provided and I’m already annoyed by it let alone in a larger web application environment. That’s cheating))). I think it’s just habit, and no one has come along, kicked them in the arse and told them to break it. And, it’s almost always within large sections concerning layouts that are never dynamically manipulated, so it’s never really an issue. The greater the value added, the more spacing is given in between list items. A public service announcement! “Oh if you could ‘float’ them next to each other that would be great. Add CSS ¶ Set the justify-content property to "space-around" for the.flex2 element. I think word/letter spacing will become the best option. I always use the font-size trick, which is short and efficient. If you don’t want spaces between words than simply remove them in the HTML. I think setting the font size to 0 is the optimal solution here, and also the cleanest. nav a { display: inline-block; padding: 5px; background: red; } CSS has properties for specifying the padding for each side of an element: padding-top. 1. 25px of left padding + 25px of right padding): To keep the width at 300px, no matter the amount of padding, you can use the With it, you can write white-space: none; in your external CSS. that said, do what makes you and your team happiest. Strangely, Facebook, Youtube, Twitter use float for this article and Twitter uses float to layout a page. Negative margin breaks here (Firefox 13 on linux) I also see so many designers just do things because floats allow them to do it, not because it’s the right way or the best way, but just because they can. 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